CMOs and CSOs: Working Together to Scale Marketing and Sales

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How Marketing and Sales Alignment Around LTV and CAC Accelerates Growth

  • Marketing and sales need to work together as one unit on targets, data, collaboration, and communications
  • Understand the relationship between customer lifetime value and customer acquisitions costs to accelerate revenue and profitability together
  • Joint analytics will help determine your best customers, drive retention efforts, and enhance overall productivity as you scale your business

The Case for Unified Sales and Marketing Operations

At a SiriusDecisions Summit, Brian Kardon, CMO of Fuze, gave an excellent presentation to CMOs, chief sales officers (CSOs) and chief product officers (CPOs) at an Executive Leadership Exchange. He discussed how it’s critical for marketing and sales to work as one unit to understand and drive customer lifetime value (LTV), and LTV’s relationship to customer acquisition costs (CAC).

Four Attributes of High-Performing Revenue Teams

To begin, Brian explained that organizations need to run sales and marketing differently – more collaboratively than they have in the past. Key attributes of this shift include:

  • Targets. Marketing owns and/or is responsible for leads to bookings; sales is responsible from bookings to revenue.
  • Data. Transition from data silos and lack of shared vision to data that is transparent and real-time – and has a shared view.
  • Collaboration. From finger-pointing to shared marketing and sales responsibilities.
  • Communication. From infrequent and hostile to continuous, with agile decision-making.

Understanding the LTV/CAC Ratio with Simple Math

Next, Brian noted that CMOs and CSOs should consider the ratio of LTV to CAC to drive continuous improvements in growth and profitability. My marketing graduate students tend to fear math, as may some marketing folks. However, the calculations use simple ratios and algebra:

CAC represents cash outflows to acquire customers. LTV represents the cash inflow revenues over the lifetime of the customers. For example:

CAC = $Sum of all sales and marketing expenses/# of new customers added

$40,000,000/400 = $100,000

Next, calculate customer lifetime in months or years, which is the reciprocal of the customer churn rate, as follows:

Monthly churn rate = 1/monthly churn

For 2 percent churn/month

1/.02 = 50 months lifetime of customers

Annual churn = 1/annual churn percentage

For 20 percent churn/year

1/.2 = 5 Years Lifetime of Customers

LTV = Avg. Monthly Recurring Revenue x Avg. Customer Lifetime x Gross Margin percentage

$10,000 x 50 Months x 60% Gross Margin % = $300,000

LTV/CAC = $300,000/$100,000 = 3

Brian indicated that as you scale your business, you should see the LTV/CAC ratio rise over time, thus showing progress. If your ratio is less than 1:1 , you are overspending to acquire customers. Ratios greater than 5:1 probably indicate underspending.

 

SaaS Levers to Improve LTV and CAC Metrics

Brian also shared some LTV and CAC guidelines for software-as-a-service (SaaS) startup companies:

You can tweak performance of these metrics to drive continuous improvement. The levers at your disposal include:

For LTV:

  • Customer churn rate
  • Upsell, cross-sell and customer experience
  • Deal size
  • Deal duration
  • Pricing and gross margin

For CAC:

  • Cost per marketing qualified lead (MQL) and sales qualified lead (SQL)
  • Ratio of inbound to outbound
  • Sales productivity
  • Focus on target accounts
  • Length of sales cycle

 

Smart Growth: Data-Driven Tactics for Scaling

Finally, Brian mentioned some additional factors to watch for as you scale your business:

  • Benchmarking performance. Analyze channels and sources of leads, territory sales reps and marketing programs.
  • Determine best customers. “Clone” your best customers by industry or use case – those with the highest retention rates and LTVs, and those that are expanding the most.
  • Assess retention efforts. Determine the customers or accounts most likely to retain.
  • Go for quality, not quantity. Watch out for having too many accounts to cover or leads to follow up on.
  • Invest in diverse lead scoring. Look at events like job postings, new technologies deployed, VC and private equity funding events, patents, new location openings and management changes.
  • Determine MQL-to-SQL trigger events. Certain events (e.g. new office openings or leases, spikes in social media activity, the hiring of a CFO who previously bought from you) could all trigger increased conversion rates.
  • Segment accounts. Run some analytics of purchase probability of the various prospect accounts to prioritize segments.
  • Tech stack. Invest time in the right tools, processes and people to leverage them properly.
 

Final Thoughts: Financial Fluency Drives Strategic Growth

As CMOs and CSOs strive to accelerate growth and profitability, greater alignment and management of the basic levers of business can go a long way to move a business forward. At SiriusDecisions, we believe today’s CMOs need to be general managers, build strong relationships with their CFOs, and become well-versed in the business tools to model the financial success of their campaigns and initiatives. Leveraging the correlation between LTV and CAC is a great way to start that journey.

Alan Gonsenhauser, fractional CMO, interim CMO and CMO coach, founder of Demand Revenue
Alan Gonsenhauser
CMO Coach & Advisor; Interim CMO for Private Equity Portfolio Cos., Founder and CEO, Demand Revenue, LLC
Alan Gonsenhauser is a seasoned CMO coach, and fractional and interim CMO with a track record of transforming Marketing into a growth engine for PE-backed SaaS and health-tech companies. He’s mentored over 150 CMOs at Forrester and SiriusDecisions, aligning Sales, Marketing, Product, and Finance to drive retention, NPS, and enterprise value. Private equity firms turn to him to rebuild go-to-market strategy fast, with customer-led growth at the core. Learn more at demandrevenue.com.
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